At least you had one part correct – vaccines stimulate the cell-mediated T2H response pathway to create memory cells so when a person is actually infected they can mount a more rapid IgG response, best explained by the “original antigenic sin” theory which vaccination relies heavily upon.

You claim to be a “Dr” but what is your degree in? I ask because I learned enough to rebut you in only ONE semester of immunology, which I took last spring (yes, I am still a student).

re: amish…and vaccine vs non-vaccine, a bill was proposed (read the above link) which never was enacted as far as I have heard. It would obviously be thoroughly enlightening to put a huge study together and compare those who have been vaccinated against those non-vaccinated. Unfortunately, I think the lobby for the vaccine manufacturers will never let this happen…that could be why the proposed bill never made it to law? If anyone knows anymore about this propsed bill and why it never was enacted, please chime in…

let’s end the debate, run a study like this and prove all of us who think we are over-vaccinating children wrong.

While I cannot speak to the quality of Thomas Verstraeten’s study, I will say that it is VERY common (in my field of biology at least) for the results and statistics to change between presentation of a study at a conference and publication after peer-review. Often, conferences serve as a sounding board for preliminary work. And frequently, preliminary work means that more data or more rigorous statistical design is needed before publication is considered.

Finally, I was very interested to read through the documentation provided in the open letter at the link you mentioned. While I laud the efforts to provide citations for the arguments being made, I was a bit underwhelmed by the relevancy of the papers and research cited. For example, the very first paper cited as a source demonstrating the physiological consequences of thimerosal was lacking applicability. This paper, generously provided by the website (http://www.nomercury.org/science/documents/Baskin_Thimerosal_Toxicity.pdf), was an in vitro study, meaning that cells in a petri dish were subjected to does of thimerosal and measured for viability. Without a doubt, the thimerosal added directly to cells was toxic for some cells, but only at 4 TIMES the dosage of thimerosal as that found in a child’s compliment of vaccines. Likewise, there was a very thorough listing of papers demonstrating the biomolecular effects of ethly-mercury on living tissues. There was also a long list of papers citing findings about the molecular biology of autsim, but almost no studies making any link between the two. Really, the letter could only point to a few researchers, like Geier and Geier. They seemed to have come up with key research linking thimerasol with autism in 2003, but have yet to manage to publish these results. That is a red flag.

Conflict of interest…all over the place.

“Babies can tolerate 10000 vaccines at once”, per Dr. Offitt. And vaccine pushers think that the non-vaccine pushers make outlandish quotes! Dr. Offitt has made MILLIONS off of rotateq…my wife was sick for a week with nausea/vomiting/diarrhea after our son was vaccinated for the rota virus. That is when I started questioning all of this as a parent and physician.

Does anyone want to comment on the recent deaths related to prevnar…? or on the research that has shown extensive contamination of vaccines (with various forms of nanobacteria, yet unidentified virusus, mycoplasma, possible cancer causing viruses)?

Thanks for your kind remarks. I ask questions and get attacked…typical.

Your personal attack on my education in order to discredit my questions is (unfortunately for you) WRONG…I am a US trained medical doctor, (MD USF, tampa, fl) as well as an MPH (USF, tampa, fl). Would you like me to email you a copy of diploma, I’d be happy to…I will refrain from attacking you.

BTW, there are MANY physicians out there who are awakening to the lies told by the pharmaceutical industry…I see that you are still blindly believing them. More vaccinations are not always best. I am not against all vaccines, however, I think we do over-vaccinate, and over-medicate children – that much is clear.

Glad Dr. V “flatly denied” working the numbers?? wow, I’m relieved…please…FIA (that’s freedom of information!) allowed for emails to be made available between him and many members of that meeting, clearly showing they were doctoring stats in order to lessen the effect of his damning data.

Here’s some education for you:
http://www.nomercury.org/science.htm

First, and easiest: (2) The Amish canard? This, right away, proves that you are credulously repeating the false information that the anti-vaccinationists propagate The Amish *do* have autism; the Amish have any number of children with neurological problems, and they fund very nicely set up modern hospitals to take care of them. Of course, that proves nothing either way, because they also vaccinate.

Then let’s skip back to (1) — this is what makes me doubt you have ever attended a real medical school. You see, at medical school they cover things like “efficacy rates” (hint: the efficacy of many vaccines ranges between 85-99% — this means that between 1% and 15% of all the kids who actually get the vaccine will still not develop an adequate immune response.) Then, of course, there are the immunocompromised, and those undergoing chemo, who would not be able to benefit from vaccines OR mount an adequate immune response to disease. That is why herd immunity is just so immensely important. Or do you think that it’s ok to risk the lives of thousands of people on the basis of tenuous “risks” with no evidence for them?

Which brings us to (3) — you blithely state all those as if they were fact. Your evidence? Studies? Heck, even a cohort study? You don’t get to make claims like that to educated people without having data in hand.

And (4) — repeating the oft-debunked Verstraeten gambit, no less. Thomas Verstraeten flatly denies that there was any “doctoring”, there is no evidence of change of conclusion in ANY draft of the paper, his conclusions have been replicated by multiple independent academic teams, and the few loud anti-vaccinationists alleging data-doctoring and coverup have never once managed to provide actual evidence of this.

Oh, and Tenpenny? She is a despicable liar, and I would be perfectly happy to say that to her face. She “quotes” Cochrane Review studies to support herself, except that if you actually go and, you know, LOOK at the studies she cites, they are either not a study of what she claims they are, or they simply reach completely different conclusions to what she says they do. She isn’t even particularly subtle about lying, she just relies on her audience never having the inclination to go check.

The kindest thing I can think of to say to you is, you need more of an education in *basics*, so that you can learn to tell good information from bad. On the slightly less kind, but equally truthful, side is the fact that you are spouting dangerous misinformation which leads to very real, documented and quantifiable risks to real people. You need to FIX that.

one of the few debates out there between a vaccine advocate and an anti-vaccine advocate…very few of these have taken place. Both have good points, the data is, however, clearly on the side of Dr. Tenpenny…

1 in 6 developmental delayed children and a tripling in childhood diabetes/ADHD/neurodevelopmental disorders in the past 25 years (all CDC data). Is that all coincidence?!

2) Dr. Snyder, please address the Amish and their lack of autism.

3) Asthma, allergy, eczema, ADD, link to autism, vaccine contamination with possible cancer-causing viruses – are we trading a number of illnesses for another number of illnesses? In turn, the vaccine manufacturers reap the rewards.

4) Dr. Snyder, please address the Simpsonwood meeting. Of particular interest is how Dr. Verstraeten’s original data (as available by freedom of information) indicated a strong link between exposure to thimerosal and autism. It is interesting to note that when the paper was published in Pediatrics (after the Simpsonwood meeting), the data had been reworked. It’s also interesting to note that Dr. Verstraeten worked for GlaxoSmithKline following his academic research days.

- An interested physician.